Welcome & Movie Quote Raffle
Christine: Welcome back to Synergy to Synastry with Christine and Renee.
Christine: This is our final episode of this season.
Christine: We're hoping for a season two, so this will be a see you later, not a goodbye.
Christine: And this episode, we're gonna end on life parallels and synastry, which kind of ties up the reason why Renee and I started this podcast in the first place, trying to understand why we were brought together and take an exploratory trip via a podcast to do that.
Christine: We do have a special guest today, but before I get started, in episode five, we announced a raffle to win a free reading with either myself, Renee or both of us by listening to each episode and taking down the quotes you hear from an Anchorman movie or from the first Twilight movie or both.
Christine: Quotes are gonna be found in 15 of the episodes.
Christine: So that's episode two through episode 16, not including any bonus episodes.
Christine: So the bonus episodes are our second episode with Lisa which should be episode 6, the bonus episode where we interview our parents, and any episodes where we read listeners live on air.
Christine: We just asked that you send in the quotes by the end of this year.
Christine: So that's December 31st, 2024.
Christine: So good luck to all of you out there.
Christine: We can't wait to hear from you.
Stephanie Powers Intro
Christine: With that, I'm gonna turn it over to Renee who's gonna introduce our special guest today that we're so excited to hear from.
Renee: Stephanie Powers, she's a professional astrologer, podcaster, writer and certified holistic health coach.
Renee: She first entered the wellness space after experiencing thyroid issues and subsequently enrolling in the Institute for Integrative Nutrition.
Renee: Her dedication to healing evolved towards the metaphysical and inspired her to launch a spiritual podcast called Lightworkers Lounge, which has increasingly shifted towards astrological teachings.
Renee: Steph published a self-help moon journal, It's Just a Phase, in 2022.
Renee: And today, writes a weekly newsletter, conducts an array of chart readings for clients, and offers educational resources to encourage others to expand their understanding of astrology.
Renee: Steph, welcome to the podcast.
Steph: It's so beautiful.
Steph: Every time someone reads my bio and I have to force myself to sit and listen to it, I get so emotional.
Steph: I just want to cry.
Steph: I have gone through hell to achieve all of that.
Steph: I think I'm so productive and so busy all the time that I never stop to actually hear from someone all that I've accomplished.
Steph: Thank you for reading that so beautifully.
Christine: I love that you get emotional hearing your bio because it really is like a compilation of everything that you've accomplished.
Christine: It gives me motivation and aspiration that I'm starting from the beginning and I hope to get to the spot where you are today.
Christine: The other thing that I want to mention to our listeners before we get started with the full interview is that the day that we're recording today, we were actually supposed to record a week later.
Christine: But for some reason midweek, I got this feeling that we were going to be recording a week ahead and I had a packed week.
Christine: So I texted Renee and I was like, something feels off, it's not in my calendar, I don't know what it is.
Christine: I just so you know, I can't do anything on Thursday.
Renee: I had the psychic hit too.
Renee: I was going to bed the night before Christine texted me.
Renee: I said, oh, when did I have my reminder to email Steph and confirm the date and time?
Renee: I was like, I think I need to move it to tomorrow.
Renee: I didn't know why, so I moved it.
Renee: I woke up that morning, emailed her, in the meantime, Christine texted me and then I got the response from Steph saying, we have to move it.
Steph: So wild, I am in an office here.
Steph: It's really beautiful.
Steph: It's quiet.
Steph: And so I thought, everything's perfect.
Steph: I have my readings.
Steph: I have this recording.
Steph: It's great.
Steph: And then last week, there's an old abandoned home right next door.
Steph: This guy delivered a huge dumpster, meaning they're about to demo the entire house because it needs to come down.
Steph: And I just silently watched, like, as the dump truck was dumping it there, I was like, this means there's going to be loud noises for probably the next two weeks.
Steph's Astrology Introduction
Christine: Do you do predictive readings for yourself?
Christine: And did you see something coming in an upcoming chart?
Christine: Or was this like not even on your radar?
Steph: It depends on how I'm feeling, because I am so sensitive that I, if I'm in a bad mood, I'm going to interpret the transit as, oh, here we go.
Steph: But if I'm in a good mood, I find that I don't even read astrology, because life just feels so good, and I feel so trusting in spirit and the universe that I don't need to look at the cosmos.
Christine: We just recorded an episode about intuition versus anxiety and how with the way we read psychically, you can drive yourself nuts by trying to read into yourself so often.
Christine: So this lines up, it makes perfect sense.
Christine: It's such kismet or synastry as one would say.
Steph: There you go.
Christine: How did you first get exposed to this?
Christine: How did you study it?
Christine: How did you apply it?
Christine: How did you find your path?
Steph: Hobby.
Steph: I had a blog called Free Spirit Fun before this, and then it took forever to type out these long blog posts.
Steph: I was a DJ when I was a teenager.
Steph: I love music, microphone, garage band.
Steph: So I thought, let me just speak what I would write just for fun.
Steph: I didn't really have anyone in my life that I could say, did you see 222 today?
Steph: I was driving on a highway and a deer just walked out and stared at me.
Steph: Like I had no one to share those synchronicities with.
Steph: So I thought, age of the internet, let me just share this with the world out there and see if it resonates with anyone.
Steph: Well, it's almost 500,000 people later, it definitely did.
Steph: I started to have these amazing guests come on the podcast and a lot of them were astrologers.
Steph: I think it found me.
Steph: I think it's always been something I meant to do.
Steph: And so I thought, let me just give some readings here.
Steph: And astrology really helped me through my first Saturn return, which was a divorce from someone I knew since third grade.
Steph: So it was definitely a really big breakup and reinvention of my life.
Steph: And utilizing my own birth chart really carried me through.
Steph: And I thought, what a gift I could give.
Steph: I am a firm believer that we teach most what we most need to learn.
Steph: And astrology is self discovery.
Steph: And without the long story of my upbringing, my childhood, I lived one where I really didn't feel free to be myself.
Steph: It was change all the time.
Steph: No Taurus rising, grounding and stability.
Steph: It was rough.
Steph: And so I became a perpetual people pleaser.
Steph: A yes ma'am, let me be the good girl, get the good grades.
Steph: I want to be a DJ.
Steph: Well, you won't make money that way.
Steph: And I come from poverty and welfare.
Steph: So I listened and I went to business school.
Steph: So I really lost myself until my Saturn returned when I like spontaneously combusted because I was married and I never wanted to be.
Steph: I was working a job that was like, why am I wasting my energy doing something I don't care about?
Steph: So I just, poof, popped and combusted and created all of these things and the pieces all fell together.
Renee: I love that.
Renee: We've talked about how in our journey to get here, that over the years, we had different psychic experiences, we're drawn to different modalities like astrology, yoga, meditation, that it happens enough over and over and over again.
Renee: And then finally, when you acknowledge, okay, maybe this actually does mean something, let me lean into it, things just start flowing and start working.
Renee: And in a lot of ways, that's how this podcast has felt.
Renee: This idea that came to me as a channeled message, and then came up in a reading, and then Christine was thinking about it when I was asking her about it, and looking back, it's been a great time for us to also learn.
Renee: We always have our What We Learned This Week segment, and oftentimes that's unrelated to spirituality, but even as we're preparing for every episode, we're learning something.
Renee: So we continue to learn as we're sharing and teaching other people in the hopes that then they're learning too, and then we learn from that, and it just is a big cycle, and it keeps sharing that energy.
Growth Through Podcasting
Steph: Yes, I very often get asked about my old episodes from 2018 when I was 29, and I want to delete them.
Steph: And as soon as I tell myself like, I sound so gross, I don't want people to listen to that, and I leave it, I get an email of, this episode from late 2018 changed my life.
Steph: Thank you so much.
Steph: And I'm like, okay, I'll leave it up there.
Steph: It's really cool.
Steph: Yeah, you guys are doing a great job with this.
Steph: I really, I was driving 15 hours by myself and listening to you guys, it really felt like you were in the car with me, and we were just chatting.
Steph: It was really good.
Steph: That's the sign of a really good show.
Renee: Yay.
Renee: I listen back to some of the episodes, I'm like, okay, I did that like two months ago, and I'm like, oh, there's so many things I changed.
Renee: Like, I didn't hear those noises, I should have put the volume on louder when I was editing.
Renee: So I can hear that even in such a short period of time, let alone if we were doing this for 10 years.
Steph: Yeah, yeah.
Steph: Some of my most downloaded episodes, I was recording on a $20 microphone in an old motel room with dripping water in the background.
Steph: I discovered very quickly that it is not the background noise, it's not the profile picture, it's the content.
Steph: When you guys launched your podcast, were you worried about what your close friends and family would think?
Steph: Woo woo.
Steph: What are they saying about us?
Renee: We never would have even done this podcast if we hadn't tried to table the imposter syndrome and say, all right, we're just going to come in and be very upfront about the fact that we're just talking and we're sharing things that we're learning and we're not experts.
Christine: Renee and I alluded to the way we chose the name for the podcast Synergy to Synastry, talking about going from our corporate very type A, rooted in the physical world lives into this spiritual destiny filled portion of our life that we're heading into.
Synastry Definition
Christine: With all of your experience, we feel like you are the perfect person to ask, what is synastry?
Steph: Synastry.
Steph: It's so fun to give synastry readings.
Steph: Synastry is where you take one person's soul's blueprint, their birth chart, and take another's, and you layer it on top of each other to look at it, zoom out and see the big picture of two people's blueprints, two instruction manuals for two human souls, and you say, okay, what are their strengths?
Steph: Where do they really have good synastry, synergy?
Steph: And also, where are they going to have to roll up their sleeves and pay a lot of attention to?
Steph: So it's essentially taking two birth charts and looking at the strengths and the weaknesses between two people.
Renee: What is the value for individuals and for partnerships, whatever type of relationship dynamic we're looking at, to have an understanding of synastry?
Steph: Oh my gosh.
Steph: Relationships are the bread and butter of the human experience, and it could either make you or break you, right?
Steph: Dependent upon just misunderstandings, and a lot of people use astrology for what?
Steph: Compatibility.
Steph: How many dating apps and dating sites ask you, what's your sun sign?
Steph: That drives us astrologers nuts because you don't want to compare your egos.
Steph: You're not looking for an ego mate, which is your sun sign.
Steph: We're looking for soul mates.
Steph: The benefit of synastry, layering two charts is to just give a couple, a romantic couple or two friends, business partners use this a lot to see where we might have conflict and have to put in patience.
Steph: So when the inevitable weakness arrives, you just have the, aha, we forecasted this, we saw this.
Steph: That's what astrology is, is forecasting.
Steph: If I tell you it's going to rain this weekend, you get to decide, well, will I leave an umbrella in my car to make it a little more easy to walk through the rain Saturday?
Steph: That's the same thing with synastry, when you look at two charts, to help any connection be compatible.
Christine: I feel like you made just so many deliciously good points.
Christine: I've dated Geminis, I've dated Scorpios, I've dated Pisces, I get the feeling around those as a Virgo Sun.
Christine: But I feel like there's something to the Virgo Moon, that's probably going to be a better placement for me than others that I've dated in the past.
Christine: You never think about the moon because the apps are like, let's compare your sons.
Steph: That's what we call the yin-yang connection.
Steph: When you're a Virgo Sun and they're a Virgo Moon, the Virgo Moon understands why you think and do things the way you do.
Steph: But then the Virgo Sun understands how that person emotionally reacts.
Steph: So it's a beautiful flow of, oh, I get how you feel.
Steph: Well, I get how you act.
Steph: Good compatibility.
Renee: That must be why we get along so well.
Renee: Because I'm a Virgo Moon.
Steph: There you go.
Steph: You guys just get each other.
Steph: That's really great for smoothing tensions, right?
Steph: Because we all get triggered, we can all feel it.
Steph: But then if you just let the dust settle and take a deep breath, then you can really have compassion for each other because you've got that shared Virgo energy in the head and the heart.
Moon Phase Compatibility
Renee: There's something I've seen online, which I don't subscribe to, but curious your perspective on this stuff.
Renee: Some people look at compatibility by the moon and say, you want the moon to fit together to make it a full moon.
Renee: I get the idea behind it, that you're trying to complement each other.
Renee: But to your point, if it's more about the energy of it versus the phase, what's your take on the impact of a natal birth phase?
Steph: That's juicy, wow.
Steph: But what if you get two people who are just extroverted, big energy and they're both full moon babies, and they have so much fun together and they finally feel, oh, someone who gets my big eruptions when I'm mad, but also loves how excited I get about everything.
Steph: But you wouldn't want to tell those people like, oh wait, our moons don't complete each other, we're too much.
Steph: I think every single relationship, whether it lasts for your life or doesn't, has so much to teach you.
Astrology Applications
Christine: This is such great life advice for everybody trying to harness astrology to sort of make life decisions.
Christine: Just enjoy life and then see if there's something you have to look at.
Steph: Yes, that's our motto, feet on the ground, head in the stars.
Steph: I'm on a mission to make astrology as normal as getting takeout, as normal as going to the grocery store.
Steph: It's still, some people that come to me are like, oh, if my family knew I was getting a birth chart reading, they would think I'm woo woo, I was a witch.
Steph: I'm like, oh, come on.
Steph: Are we still on that?
Steph: I dream of the day that public school teachers use birth charts to help students feel comfortable.
Steph: It's happening.
Steph: I have clients that do that now.
Christine: You can use this as fact to learn how to work better together.
Christine: We have all these personality tests and types, but astrology has been here for a long time.
Christine: Why not just use this?
Steph: A long time.
Steph: It's never something that we try and get people to believe, because I don't even believe in it.
Steph: But what I do is I experience it in all of my relationships.
Steph: I experience it every single day.
Steph: We just had a full moon yesterday.
Steph: How were your dreams last night?
Renee: I had so many dreams.
Renee: They were bizarre dreams.
Renee: So weird.
Steph: So weird.
Steph: So it's something you experience, not something you believe.
Moon Sign Compatibility
Renee: We've been talking about the moon just to, I guess, put a button on that.
Renee: So then do you think having the same moon sign as someone is better or equal to having just one that's complimentary but different?
Steph: That is such a good question that we have been debating for years now.
Steph: When you meet someone with the same moon sign, you just get each other.
Steph: There is a catch to what you do to that.
Steph: When you meet someone with the same moon sign especially, you're going to feel things the same way.
Steph: And conflict very often requires someone to drop their armor or someone to see things a different way to bring a solution.
Steph: When you have the same moon sign especially, you're both fighting over the same thing from the same ground, from the same mindset that you can go round and around or find no resolution.
Steph: That's where you got to pull in your sun and your mercuries.
Steph: Hopefully, they're different to give a different perspective to the conflict.
Steph: So it's very bonding, but can be difficult when conflict arise.
Steph: I always say like two fire moons beautiful or a fire and air, right?
Steph: What does fire and air do?
Steph: It makes each other rise or makes each other grow beautiful.
Steph: Earth and water, beautiful.
Steph: Now, fire and water, what does that do?
Steph: Water puts the fire out, makes them feel like, I can't be my wild self.
Steph: And then fire makes water people boil.
Steph: Oh my God, they won't calm down.
Christine: Using the elements to think about how they interact is a really good way to help beginners, I feel, understand how they interact with each other.
Steph: Exactly.
Steph: That's what I want to tell people listening who are overwhelmed by the second language, that is astrology, to just break it down to fire, air, earth and water.
Christine: Amazing.
Saturn Return in Pisces & Aries
Steph: The bulk of my readings right now are people going through their first Saturn return.
Steph: So shout out to Saturn and Pisces people who are really investing in birth charts to say, help, we've got you, it's going to be all right.
Renee: Yeah, I'm going through my Saturn return right now too.
Renee: I know you get stronger on the other side, it's character building, it's about how you navigate and trying to trust and surrender to the process versus just getting frustrated that you have these little fires or challenges that crop up.
Steph: Yeah, exactly, it's a cosmic initiation into adulthood and what a lot of people failed to remind Saturn return is that it's also one of the best times of your life if you answer the call of your Saturn.
Steph: Stop allowing people to just rob you of your energy, saying no is a full sentence.
Steph: That's feeding your Saturn and Pisces and you could be rewarded with a very good career in spirituality, helping a lot of people and just feel anchored in your own emotions, right?
Steph: And people are unable to shake you.
Steph: I have my Saturn and Capricorn and I miss my Saturn return.
Steph: It just pushed me into everything I've ever wanted to be, even though I got a divorce during mine.
Steph: That's when it all changed for the good, for the good.
Steph: I can't wait for my second Saturn return.
Christine: At the end of my Saturn return, I bought my apartment in Manhattan, which I'm going to call that the birth of something because that was like a big gestation.
Steph: Yeah, so people listening to this who have Saturn and Aries coming up or who are currently in their Saturn return, it does not have to be scary.
Steph: We all want freedom.
Steph: We want to be individuals.
Steph: We want to grow up and be adults and get out of high school because control, but then we realize, oh, wait, I have to pay electric and utilities and bills and wait, hold on.
Steph: That's Saturn's energy.
Steph: She's just a personal trainer, right?
Steph: She's coming to your door at 5 a.m.
Steph: Get up, let's go workout.
Steph: You're like, I want to stay in bed.
Steph: Please leave me alone.
Steph: But if you get up and go, fine, I'll go.
Steph: I'll go to the gym with you.
Steph: You look good, you feel good, you start to really appreciate her for what she's done for you.
Steph: It's all in how you look at it.
Christine: I also love that you refer to Saturn as a her.
Christine: I feel like a lot of times Saturn's referred to as a man, and my cousin actually called Saturn Zaddy Daddy the other day, and I was like, that's a good one.
Steph: I think I call all of them her.
Steph: I've even referred to Mars as her sometimes.
Steph: I'm like, I'm just feminist all the way.
Christine: I'm here for it.
Christine: I'm now changing my pronouns for all the planets based on the conversation.
Steph: If you want to do a reflective exercise, go back and look at ages seven to eight, and then we're going to look at 14, 15, and then about 21 to 22.
Steph: These are all major Saturn transits that are leading up and elbowing you like, hey, the big Super Bowl of Saturn transits is coming.
Steph: Here's your chance to practice.
Steph: Then you have the Saturn return.
Steph: You have those again at 36, 43.
Steph: It's like every eight years.
Steph: They're very fun.
Steph: If you answer the call of Saturn, she leaves big gifts at your doorstep.
Christine: All right.
Composite Versus Synastry Charts
Christine: Should we move on to our question about the difference between composite and synastry charts?
Christine: Because I actually didn't know there was a difference.
Steph: Yeah.
Steph: Oh, I love this question.
Steph: And I've actually moved my readings to be more composite because composite is more of a spiritual thing.
Steph: It's a blend of synastry and a spiritual.
Steph: What's the point of us?
Steph: What did we come here to do?
Steph: What did we come here to accomplish?
Steph: The composite chart is where I take your chart and somebody else's and make them have the baby.
Renee: Do you do that by splitting the difference between each of the placements?
Steph: So what it technically is in the composite chart is the halfway point between all of your placements.
Steph: So I take your son and your son and what is the halfway point?
Steph: I take your cancer rising, your capricorn rising.
Steph: What is the halfway point?
Steph: Yeah, those are very wild because those can tell you how a relationship started, how they met.
Steph: The th house will tell you how it might end.
Steph: I personally like to see how a relationship could end because if I see us heading towards that type of energy, I'm like, stop, stop, let's redirect, redirect because we're going to the end here.
Renee: It is using it as a tool for understanding.
Renee: So what you said at the beginning, if you are gathering what your strengths and weaknesses are, that would be the ultimate weakness.
Renee: It's the point where it could cause you to split.
Steph: It breaks, exactly.
Steph: Yep, that's right.
Steph: My partner and I have Mars in our composite house and it's in Gemini.
Steph: And so I'm like, okay, if we're getting really aggressive in our communication and neither is backing down or taking a break, that's gonna be our breaking point.
Steph: So one of us needs to go step aside to calm down and then come back with clear, calm communication, not use words as war, Mars and the .
Renee: Is there a tool online that allows you to set up the composite chart?
Steph: I use astro.com.
Steph: You go to Extended Chart Selection, click on Composite Chart, Midpoint Method, and then you pull up your two charts, click Go, and there it is.
Christine: So if somebody wanted to break down the difference between a composite chart and a synastry chart.
Steph: Synastry, your son is falling in that person's fourth house.
Steph: This area of life is lit up.
Steph: Does their mom really dive into your relationship?
Steph: Does your mom really have an opinion about your relationship?
Steph: Let's bring energy there to bring balance.
Steph: Composite is, hey, together your son is in the fifth house.
Steph: Do you guys talk about having children together?
Steph: Is someone coming into the relationship with children?
Steph: Are your fights typically 13-year-old you versus 13-year-old them?
Steph: Just go in at it because we need to referee this a little bit.
Steph: Just bring awareness.
Steph: People often think like, what do I do?
Steph: How do I heal my relationship?
Steph: They think they need a step-by-step manual, step one, talk in this tone.
Steph: But all you have to do sometimes is just bring awareness.
Steph: That's it.
Renee: So you can see parts of yourself that you're aware of, but also parts that you aren't, and then the full picture of how they complement each other or cause tension.
Steph: Yeah.
Astrology & Healing Work
Steph: Sometimes astrology is just so healing because it gives you a permission slip that how you feel is fine.
Steph: Right?
Steph: I'm Sagittarius.
Steph: This is why I laugh and get so red whenever you guys crack a joke.
Steph: It's hilarious to me.
Steph: But my whole life, I have struggled with sleepovers when I was young, and even as a teenager, I would still go because I'm Sag social, want to be around the crowds.
Steph: But then when it was nighttime, trying to be quiet, I want to go home to the privacy of my room and call my energy back.
Steph: I used to think, am I broken?
Steph: How come everybody else can do sleepovers every single weekend and think it's the best thing in the world?
Steph: And I hate it.
Steph: I'm not broken.
Steph: There's nothing wrong with me.
Steph: This is just how I'm programmed to feel.
Steph: Ugh, what a relief.
Steph: Virgos especially, you have to be ready to level up.
Steph: It's not just lovey-dovey romance.
Steph: They want you to be the best you.
Steph: They want you to have a full bank account.
Steph: They want you to be healthy because they know health is the real wealth.
Steph: They want you to surround yourself with good people that are gonna uplift you, not hold you back.
Steph: And they're gonna point it out once they get comfortable with you.
Steph: They will give you the shirt off of their back, but sometimes it's an obsessive.
Steph: They love good fixer uppers, the Virgo, Sun, Moon and Rising.
Steph: The worse off, the better.
Steph: I can make them better.
Steph: But that's exactly it.
Steph: This is Virgo's lesson is to understand, just wait for people to come to you and say, hey, I'm struggling with my gut health.
Steph: Do you have any recommendations?
Steph: Instead of just that act of mind saying, oh, look at what they're eating.
Steph: They barely drink water.
Steph: This is exactly it.
Steph: They need a shot of aloe.
Steph: The Virgo energy is intimidating because they give off high standards, high values, class, health.
Steph: But hey, Virgos, sun and moon, funniest signs of the zodiac because you're the healers, and you guys know the most potent medicine is laughter.
Steph: A lot of comedians are Virgos.
Christine: Wow, I didn't know that.
Renee: I didn't know that either.
Renee: Christine, we're hilarious.
Christine: You know, I say it.
Christine: I never know if I am, but you know, I say it.
Steph: Yes, exactly.
Steph: Exactly.
Steph: So I am a fan of Virgos.
Steph: I absolutely love them.
Steph: It's just their greatest lesson is to sit on their hands, to watch their loved ones, to have their bad habits and say, you know what, I am just going to set the stage.
Steph: I'm going to be the example.
Steph: They're going to see how fit and healthy and intelligent and successful I am.
Steph: And when they're ready, they'll notice how good you look, how energetic you feel.
Steph: And they're going to say, hey, what are you eating?
Steph: What's your secret sauce?
Steph: I want to know.
Steph: And that's when the Virgo, come on in, I'll fix you up.
Steph: It's very fun when the rising signs are opposite.
Steph: You're always learning the opposite lesson.
Steph: But if you can meet in the middle, it's like, what did you learn about relationships?
Steph: Well, here's what I learned about individuality.
Steph: Beautiful flowers can bloom from that.
Renee: Yeah, we talked about that, I think, in episode two, Christine was like, oh, it's like we're in our cars and we're driving towards each other.
Steph: Yes, I loved that in episode two.
Steph: Yes, it was so good.
Steph: I'm like, look at these girls go.
Steph: It's impressive, your level of knowledge.
Steph: You guys just went through really difficult first house, seventh house, Pluto transits.
Steph: Holy cow, you guys are like trauma bonded after what you just went through.
Steph: But now, it's going in your eighth and your second.
Steph: So together, you guys are on a journey of learning about money.
Steph: It's the money access predict, you guys are gonna do really well for your business, your podcast, all of that.
Steph: Two earthy moons, that is respect.
Steph: That is respect with money.
Renee: What are aspects of natal charts that you recommend people look at, whether that's placements, planets, points, in trying to have their own preliminary first pass at interpreting synastry?
Steph: Mercury represents how we think, how we speak, how we process messages, right?
Steph: All of our most difficult relationships can be chalked up to a miscommunication.
Steph: Someone could be delivering a message beautifully, seamlessly, mature, grounded, but the other person is not always going to hear it the way you are speaking.
Steph: What house does it fall in for people, right?
Steph: My partner and I have a Virgo Mercury on his chart, and I am Sagittarius Mercury.
Steph: These two are squaring, meaning they are a driving force.
Steph: There's tension.
Steph: He sees the details.
Steph: I am zooming out on my drone looking down at the forest.
Steph: He's a cancer rising.
Steph: So Sagittarius rules his sixth house.
Steph: That means my Mercury falls into his sixth.
Steph: I am going to activate that area of life for him.
Steph: I am going to help him improve his communication skills, help him improve the way he takes in messages.
Steph: Virgo rules my fifth house.
Steph: So he's going to really trigger me to not talk so much about myself or my ego, and children could be a big topic of discussion for us, which it is, and creativity, his connection, the way he thinks and speaks in his suggestions for my creative projects.
Steph: He's my mentor.
Steph: I love him.
Christine: This is like couples therapy on steroids.
Renee: It is.
Steph: I have so many people tell me this as we've accomplished more in this session stuff than therapy.
Moon & Mercury Synastry
Christine: Wait.
Christine: So Renee, looking at our charts.
Renee: We both have Mercury in the ninth house, mine's in Pisces and yours is in Virgo, right?
Renee: Yeah.
Steph: They are the healing sisters, the spiritual sisters, right?
Steph: Virgo is my healer in terms of massage therapy, chiropractic care, herbalists, doulas.
Steph: Pisces says psychic, intuition, astrology, crystals.
Steph: They can come together and create a Reiki massage.
Steph: Renee, your Mercury is in Pisces.
Steph: You would look to what house Christine has Pisces ruling.
Steph: That's where your Mercury falls into.
Steph: It would be her third house if I know Capricorn rising correctly.
Steph: You and her, when Mercury falls in its natal house, the third house of speaking, communicating, I bet when you guys get to yapping, it is ours.
Renee: Yes.
Renee: We had a stretch here where we'd sit here and we'd be recording slash not recording for over four hours.
Renee: We're like, this must stop.
Renee: It's too much.
Steph: Yes.
Steph: Then you'd look to where Virgo rules on your chart, Renee.
Steph: What house does Virgo rule?
Renee: Third house.
Steph: Third house.
Steph: Are we surprised, ladies, that you guys are going to write books together, you're going to speak on stages together, you're going to have a podcast together.
Steph: The only shadow part to watch out for that is we talk in circles and we get nowhere.
Steph: One of you, it's probably going to be more, whatever has more earth in their chart is going to have to be the one being like, okay, I actually want to hold our book in our hands.
Steph: So let's pause here, like set a timer.
Steph: We're going to talk about our book for 25 minutes.
Steph: And when we hear the ding, ding, ding, we stop.
Steph: And then we start to just go our own ways to actually bring it to life.
Steph: Just breaking the awareness to put boundaries with, because you guys, two opposite sister Mercuries in the third house.
Steph: You guys are so brought together to heal people, Virgo, Pisces axis, through communication, writing, blogging, speaking, teaching, just using Bridge in Heaven to Earth through your minds and sharing it with the people.
Renee: It's nice to, again, leverage the different modalities to say we were getting psychic hits.
Renee: We had an intuition about this.
Renee: And then as we were working on it, Christine said so many times in our first few planning meetings, that seemed too easy to see it represented elsewhere, that we have that potential and then the overlap is awesome.
Renee: And I think we both have felt that.
Renee: Okay, so just to circle back earlier when you were talking about the composite, you were talking about the moon, would you say that that still applies as being a significant overlapping point?
Steph: You go on a date with someone, you're like, well, how was it?
Steph: Did the sparks fly?
Steph: Then once you get close with someone kind of moving past the honeymoon phase, how am I going to talk about what they did triggered me and brought this up in me?
Steph: Are they going to be receptive or reactive?
Steph: Am I a good listener or am I listening to react?
Steph: That's when Mercury starts to enter the picture.
Steph: And for my really long-term couples who have had just miscommunication for years, what that like turns into is fighting, aggression.
Steph: Like, I can't stand them, I love them.
Mars Synastry
Steph: We have kids, so I don't want to leave them, but so then we move into Mars.
Steph: What's your fighting style?
Steph: Anger is a healthy emotion.
Steph: And a lot of people, especially people pleasers, empaths, we do not like to express anger because, well, it hurts feelings.
Steph: That's the last thing we want to do, but it needs to be healthily expressed.
Steph: But I also say, what drives a couple?
Steph: What really inspires them to keep going and keep their relationship intact?
Steph: You look at what house Mars is falling in for that person.
Saturn Synastry
Steph: And Saturn, that is where I move on to as well, for people who plan to be in business together long term or get married one day.
Steph: You really want to look at Saturn because this is where the work is going to show up.
Steph: Every relationship, no matter how perfect it feels at first, my twin flame has arrived, work will show up.
Steph: Life is hard.
Steph: So you look to where Saturn falls.
Steph: Well, gotta roll up my sleeves to make the relationship work in that area of life.
Steph: It becomes where you feel the most solidified and grounded in your partnership.
Steph: So I love to see Saturn falling in the seventh house in synastry because that means we're going to put in a lot of fight for our commitment to each other, to our relationship.
Steph: This is the mark of whether it's Romantic or Platonic people who are together for life.
Renee: We don't have that.
Renee: That's okay.
Christine: But I still find it fascinating.
Steph: Yeah, that was more of a romantic sense.
Steph: We're Sagittarius on your chart.
Steph: Sixth house, right?
Steph: So as coworkers, this is where the work is going to show up once you guys start to get really big and it's like, wait, I miss you just being my friend.
Steph: I don't want to talk about work with you.
Steph: Can we just talk about our cats for a second?
Steph: This is getting too much.
Steph: I just want you to be my friend.
Christine: It's funny you say that because, and this is the earth energy, but I was like, we should talk about this because I don't want to get to the point where we hate each other.
Steph: Yep, yep.
Steph: And then Pisces Renee could really help you in speaking your truth.
Steph: I know you're nervous, just say it.
Steph: It's going to be okay.
Steph: Don't worry.
Steph: She could really push you and that might trigger you or make you feel like, I can't, I can't, I'm too scared.
Steph: You guys have to learn to speak to each other when you feel like, wait, I miss being your friend.
Steph: This is getting too much.
Steph: Can we move from the spiritual stuff and talk about the Saturn, money, LLC, put boundaries with each other when it comes to money and finances and accounting?
Steph: That can get sticky when you mix that into it.
Steph: So that can be Saturn in the third house.
Steph: But ultimately, remember, Saturn in the sixth house, this is my coworker for life if we answer the call.
Steph: Saturn in the third house, we create legendary work that involves communicating.
Christine: It just feels like self-awareness and communication, regardless of what your chart says, is the key to relationships.
Steph: Bingo.
Steph: Bingo.
High & Low Vibrational Synastry
Steph: I've seen Synergy that when I take my notes before a client reading, I'm like, wow, this is like a Disney movie.
Steph: They got all the checks of the best of the best.
Steph: And they've been through affairs, depths, psychological abuse towards each other.
Steph: And I'm like, whoa, they are working with the disempowered side of this.
Steph: Holy cow.
Steph: And then I've seen charts where I'm like, oh, this is going to be a story for the books.
Steph: This is the hardest synastry I think I've ever seen.
Steph: And it was the healthiest relationship that I have ever witnessed.
Renee: So it's all about the user.
Renee: You're underscoring the higher and lower vibrations of all of the placements and the signs, because I think when people consider how astrology or other systems might work for them, it's just, am I like this, am I not like this?
Renee: Versus they're being levels, they're being a dynamic to it.
Renee: It's not, oh, I'm an Aries Sun, that means I'm competitive.
Renee: Okay, well, I don't always identify with that, but there are so many other traits, and then you can have the higher and lower vibrations of each of those.
Resistance to Astrology & Gender
Renee: And then when you're layering all of the different placements and everything on top of each other, and then you're layering it with another person and all of that, there's so much more nuance, and that's why I think some people who are resistant to astrology, if they understood that, might better grasp that it is very, very nuanced because people are nuanced.
Steph: Exactly.
Steph: You cannot put people in a box.
Steph: And I think that's why a lot of people get turned off from astrology.
Steph: There's those funny memes that go around that's like, if she asks your mom for your birthday, run, bro.
Steph: It's like, okay, I get it.
Steph: I do because there are people like that.
Steph: But no, do you read men's clients?
Steph: 95% of the time, it's wives and girlfriends that forced them to come and do a reading.
Steph: But they end up becoming towards the end of the reading, the number one type of person to ask questions and they're taking notes.
Steph: And they're like, okay.
Steph: And then they come back for more and they've got so many questions.
Steph: When I was in astrological school, I was asking, hey, how do you explain twins?
Steph: Twins who have the same exact birth chart but couldn't be more different.
Steph: I mean, polar opposite, and that is what it boils down to.
Steph: If you're born an Aries Sun empowered, you're a leader who empowers people to take risks and not be afraid of new beginnings.
Steph: Disempowered, you're an asshole.
Steph: You can't control your reactions.
Steph: You get bored with people, so you just dump them and move on to the next.
Steph: And then we go to your moon.
Steph: If you're an Aries Sun but you have a Pisces moon, you either unconditionally love people and accept them for who they are, or you're smoking, you're drinking, you're struggling with mental health, you're substance abuse, and so it just keeps going down the line of your entire chart.
Steph: What are you going to choose?
Steph: The easy road or the hard road?
Christine: I find it interesting that men, once they're exposed to it, have a million questions because I think just X is happening because of Y, and you can do these three things to fix it.
Steph: What I do is I have all my notes on a specific chart, but as we talk and I see what this chart looks like in a real human's life, I write down key takeaways, which are just three things that I e-mail to the person after with their recording.
Steph: Like, hey, we talked about so much, I bet your head is spinning, but stop, drop, and just focus on these three things.
Steph: Because the more you master and study and research them and apply them to your life, the more seamless it's going to be.
The Future of Astrology
Christine: Before we close out what might be one of my favorite podcast episodes of the season, Steph, we're curious, what's something that you're really excited about right now?
Steph: Well, as you guys probably know by now, I want to make astrology normal.
Steph: I just want, I don't want it to be categorized under woo woo.
Steph: Something I'm working on creating is an in-person astrology boutique.
Steph: And so it's a place where people can come and there's bright windows, there's green plants, and people are professionally dressed, and anybody, you can be someone who practices organized religion, you're just curious about this because it is in the Bible.
Steph: You can come in and be like, hey, I'm a Sagittarius.
Steph: What does that mean?
Steph: Is there anything else I should know?
Steph: And you can get professional readings done by people there.
Steph: And it's just going to be an in-person space where anybody from any walk of life can come in and feel like they can use astrology.
Steph: I have a big social media presence, but I really want to bring it in person, especially with Jupiter moving into Gemini.
Steph: We've got so much information at our fingertips, but I miss Taurus rising over here.
Steph: I want to bring people back down to Earth.
Steph: I want people to come see me in person and see the wrinkles on my forehead, not there's a filter on Instagram.
Steph: I want them to see how short I am in person and just say, oh wow, there's real people behind these things.
Steph: I want to ground people through astrology.
Christine: It's amazing and I have no doubt that this is going to happen.
Christine: Thank you.
Steph: I hope so.
Steph's Socials
Christine: Before we go, is there anything else that you want to say to the listeners?
Christine: Also, we want you to plug everywhere the listeners can find you because I think everyone needs to just download and absorb all the stuff you've put out there.
Steph: Yes, guys, come hang out in Lightworkers Lounge.
Steph: We do have Instagram accounts.
Steph: I don't post as much because I'm focused on the podcast, but it's @LightworkersLounge and at @Stephanie_Powers.
Steph: I do have the verified check marks because there's a lot of fake ones out there.
Steph: So come check those out, lightworkerslounge.com or again, type Lightworkers Lounge into any podcast provider, Spotify, Google Play, Apple Podcasts.
Steph: We are everywhere.
Steph: You can feel my passion come out through the speakers.
Steph: And I want to teach you guys tools to make your life easier, utilizing the cosmos, which is always right above your head.
Christine: And Steph, I just really want to thank you for your time today.
Christine: This was fantastic.
Steph: Thank you, guys.
Steph: It was so fun to hang out with you.
Steph: It's why I created Lightworkers Lounge.
Steph: I called it a lounge because I wanted to connect with like-minded souls like you guys to where I don't feel crazy or woo-woo because you guys just get it.
Steph: And what you say, I'm like, oh, I get it what they're saying.
Steph: So thank you guys for creating this space.
Renee: This was really fun.
Renee: I am super looking forward to going back and listening to it again.
Renee: I know, Christine, you were taking a lot of notes.
Renee: I was not, but I probably will in the second listen through.
Renee: Yeah.
Steph: You know, I don't like to listen to myself, but I might listen to this one too.
Interview Reflections & Discount Code
Renee: I want you to say it out loud, what you thought of this experience, and be honest.
Christine: You know, I think I was in Loved Ones, but now I'm sure I love this podcast.
Christine: Steph really reinforced what we're doing.
Christine: She's somebody who has so much street cred behind her.
Christine: And when she said she likes our podcast, and we sound good, and we're so knowledgeable, I'm like, we are?
Christine: We bought $20 microphones off Amazon, and we're just coming together every week, winging it and chatting about stuff that we would normally chat about, just us, and putting it live on the air.
Christine: It's amazing and wild and very affirming for us to keep going.
Renee: I'm still buzzing from that interview.
Renee: I'm so happy, grateful to Steph for coming on the podcast, and the kind words that she had, and the fact that she was able to just come on here, and we were chatting and laughing, and I'm killing an ant off to the side.
Renee: And it was totally normal as if we already know each other, and we got along really well.
Renee: It was just a great way to end the season.
Christine: I know an even better way to end the season.
Renee: Not only was Steph generous with her time, she has been so kind as to gift our listeners a special discount code.
Christine: Using code SYNASTRY, S-Y-N-A-S-T-R-Y.
Christine: You can get a reading from Steph.
Christine: For 10% off at checkout.
Lessons
Christine: Let's jump in to our final What Have We Learned this week.
Christine: I am currently reading a book called Phoenixes and Angels, written by the astrologer Carmen Turner Schott.
Christine: Phoenixes are people who have multiple planets in the Eighth House.
Christine: So I think I have three or four in the Eighth House going through life and having like a little bit of a death of who we were and becoming new people.
Christine: People with the Eighth House tend to be little secret sniffer outers, but we know when someone is not telling us the truth and once we start seeking it out, we find it out.
Christine: And I went to the Yankee game with my dad yesterday and I just started asking like silly questions about him and my mom when they were growing up and I found out some like, you know, funny stuff about my parents and I was like, I knew it.
Christine: I knew there was something you weren't telling me and I was like, that's my Eighth House placements.
Christine: Renee, what did you learn this week?
Renee: I had a full circle moment.
Renee: I was listening to a podcast and it was an interview with Laverne Cox, and she brought up The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz, and I looked it up and realized, oh my goodness, somebody brought that to Booksgiving last year, and we all talked about it and no one took the book.
Renee: What I learned this week is what the Four Agreements are.
Renee: Saves you from reading the book.
Renee: You're welcome.
Renee: The first one is be impeccable with your words.
Renee: Have integrity and kindness towards yourself and others when you speak.
Renee: Number two, don't take anything personally.
Renee: This will free you from a victim mindset and any unnecessary suffering from attachment.
Renee: Number three, don't make assumptions.
Renee: Ask thoughtful questions to avoid misunderstanding, unhappiness and drama.
Renee: And number four, always do your best.
Renee: Meet yourself where you are to support self-love and appreciation.
Renee: I think we've been trying to do all of them, honestly, through this journey.
Renee: Being intentional with how we're speaking, definitely trying to be in line with our integrity and our authenticity, checking ourselves, if we're judging ourselves for what we're saying, or what's going to make the cut, or what's not going to make the cut for the podcast.
Renee: What are people going to think as these episodes come out?
Renee: What are they going to say?
Renee: And if we're in integrity, it doesn't matter what they say.
Renee: It's about us being our authentic selves.
Renee: Not making assumptions.
Renee: All we do is ask thoughtful questions.
Renee: Question, question, question, question, question, all the time.
Renee: We're trying to understand.
Renee: No room for misunderstandings for us.
Renee: Doing our best.
Renee: Working on the podcast and the spiritual work that we're doing with the different topics we discuss week over week, they're all to support self-discovery, self-love, your wellness and to grow and expand.
Renee: I think in all four departments, we have crushed.
Christine: I agree.
Christine: I like that you went last because you really nicely tied a bow on everything.
Readings
Christine: All right, friends, it's time for our last set of channeled messages for this season.
Christine: And mine was very fitting, as soon as I jumped into my psychic space, and I heard Auld Lang Syne playing in the background.
Christine: As I'm looking around, I'm hearing like, enjoy this moment, things are gonna change in a good way, but like you'll never be in this place again.
Christine: So take a look around, savor it, you did it, be proud.
Christine: It almost feels like a graduation.
Christine: When I googled Auld Lang Syne and the history of it, traditionally played on New Year's Eve, but it's a Scottish song that was also traditionally played at graduations.
Christine: So even though this is coming out in October, you know, this is the end of our first season.
Christine: It feels like a graduation and it feels like a graduation for the listeners and like a leveling up.
Christine: This may be a first step in your spiritual growth.
Christine: You're gonna be a freshman again at some point, but for right now, let's just savor being a big fish in a small pond.
Christine: I will bet 100% that you've learned at least one thing from this podcast, whether it's metaphysical or not.
Christine: Keep going and keep following that spark that first led you here.
Christine: And the mantra that I got was I confidently stepped into my next adventure.
Christine: Renee, I'm gonna turn it over to you because I see your face is very expressive right now and I can't wait to hear what you have.
Renee: This is the longest channeled message I've received in this podcast, which feels fitting because it's the last episode.
Renee: But as you're going through yours, I'm seeing the energetic parallels with mine.
Renee: It blows my mind every time when we are picking up on something similar.
Renee: Yours is talking about, hey, it's a graduation, and mine feels like it's the contents of the graduation speech.
Christine: Yes, and it would make sense that you would be the valedictorian and I would not be.
Renee: Trust your heart, trust yourself, know the way.
Renee: Chills.
Renee: Then I got an image of a hand reaching into a mailbox, taking a letter out, and it's a letter from your future self.
Renee: I immediately got hit with an inspired action, to write yourself a letter that you open in five years.
Renee: The first half of the letter, you describe who you are now, what you're up to, and the second half of this letter is about who you are then in five years.
Renee: You frame it as if you have it already, and you've achieved everything, and you're congratulating your future self.
Renee: Pretend that you are writing fan mail to a celebrity that you love.
Renee: You are appreciating them for how they've inspired you to be better, do more, and do better every single day.
Renee: Next was learn to know restraint.
Renee: You want to evaluate the ways that restraint has a hold on you to keep you small, and the areas where it would be better served to have restraint.
Renee: How can I pivot and redirect the restraint in my life from one area to another that will better serve you to align with your purpose?
Renee: And then finally, I got another image, and it was a bouncing ball, like a red kickball, bouncing over and over and over again in the same spot.
Renee: And the message paired with that was to make sure to look up and remember that you're playing.
Renee: This kid is so focused on bouncing the ball, hitting it there over and over and over again.
Renee: Like, look up, you're on a playground.
Renee: There's other people.
Renee: Remember what you're doing.
Renee: Remember why you're here.
Renee: Don't be in competition with yourself.
Renee: Embrace the joys, the sorrows, and the mishaps of your life in every color that they're presented to you.
Renee: I also got the encouragement, wear more colors that you don't currently have in your wardrobe.
Renee: It's another manifestation of being playful with your expression and how you present.
Renee: The final message that I have here, the parting words, bring peace with you always.
Renee: And that's what had stood out to me because you were talking, Christine, about you've graduated, where you're going.
Renee: And it's like, okay, well, what you should bring is peace.
Renee: Don't they complement each other so well?
Christine: Of course they do.
Christine: And of course they do in this episode.
Christine: And I really, I really like that exercise of writing a letter to yourself in five years.
Christine: And I feel like they would have us do it, like when we were in like second grade or something.
Christine: And I'm curious, like what I would write to myself in five years about what's going on now, and then, you know, reading it then.
Christine: So I think I'm going to take our own advice here and write myself a letter.
Christine: I'm very excited to read it.
Christine: Thanks for listening.
Renee: If you'd like to learn more, the resources we used to prepare for this episode are listed in the show notes.
Christine: You can reach me, Christine, @ChanneledbyChristine with one L on Instagram.
Renee: And you can reach me, Renee, @_readbyrenee, or connect with both of us via email at synergytosynastry@gmail.com.
Christine: Keep your spirit curious and your aura sparkling!
Renee: We'll see you when the stars next align.
Outro
Christine: Can we go back to Vampire Diaries?
Christine: You've watched it before, right?
Renee: I've watched it before.
Renee: And she watched it till somewhere in season five.
Renee: We can't just watch.
Renee: Now we have to make it a game.
Renee: So it was like, okay, when does Katherine first appear in the show?
Renee: So then we both locked in our predictions.
Renee: So I have it all on my phone and I have who's winning.
Renee: It's me.
Christine: If anyone's wondering, it's Renee.
Renee: Right now, it's seven to one.
Christine: Oh my God, you're destroying her.
Renee: It's been a fun game, but sometimes it's stressful.
Renee: So we're starting to get to the end here, but I'm now at the mercy of if she happens to remember something, like would you want to add it to the list?
Renee: Because otherwise our game is going to end, you know?
Renee: And we still enjoy watching it, but it is kind of a fun game.
Christine: Wait, did you watch Legacies after?
Renee: No, but I've seen The Originals, which I loved.
Christine: Wait, I cried at the end of Originals, which is so sad.
Christine: And I was obsessed with what's his name?
Renee: Elijah or Klaus?
Christine: Klaus.
Christine: I don't know.
Christine: There's probably some toxic issues within me.
Christine: I was so attracted to Klaus on such a level.
Christine: I was obsessed with him.
Christine: Oh my God.
Christine: Oh my God.
Christine: I should go back and watch that again.
Christine: That was a really good series.
Christine: Oh, Damon.
Christine: Oh my God.
Renee: Ian Somerhalder just does such a good job with the role that that's what makes you like him.
Renee: And you know who he's married to?
Christine: No, wait, I forget.
Renee: Nikki, AKA Rosalie from Twilight.
Renee: Shut up.
Christine: Oh my God.
Christine: Was this a vampire family?
Renee: Yes.
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